I’m irritated. I’m irritated because I live in a country where people can’t see themselves as a systemic part of the problem, only as saviours & champions. One would think that adults would realise that when someone refers to say the elite, or the rich, then they are referring to the collective, looking at it critically and not targeting individuals. Perhaps our persecution complex has become so deep rooted that only deprogramming will remove it…
I’ll give you an example. A few days ago I was talking to someone about the fashion industry and it lead to a conversation about how we all perpetuate the beauty myth. We are all part of the system that allows it to flourish. Whining about it without challenging it is ludicrous.
At one point, I said: “mothers, too, force their daughters to comply with norms like encouraging them to wear high heels and ignore the pain.” At that point, my mother & sister went into uproar. Total outrage. “No they don’t! No mother I know does that!” My mother then added, “I never did that that to you!” Clearly they weren’t making the effort to listen to my words. They were simply assuming that I was referring to my mother (because any daughter who uses the word “mother” must only be talking about her mother, right?). I told them both to watch Toddlers & Tiaras.
My mother may not have forced me into high heels but perhaps she’s forgotten that she had to bribe me in order to endure waxing at a young age. I remember crying & hiding and could only be coaxed to endure it if I was given enough candy, money and comic books. Of course, this then lead to a very jealous younger brother who went ahead & got his arms waxed because he too wanted candy. Poor thing. I don’t blame him.
Deliberating inflicting pain on your daughter simply out of the fear that her hairy body will turn men away can definitely be classified as anti feminist. And just because she, a feminist, chose to do this, doesn’t make this ok. Nor does her association with WAF give her a free pass. She is part of the system that encouraged her to raise a daughter who, like most women, hated her body for years. Feminists aren’t immune to it at all.
Pakistan is flawed because we are flawed. Pakistan is corrupt because we are corrupt. And nepotism, which we only protest when the Bhutto’s perpetuate it, is rampant, accepted and common. This is a system that we are all part of and simply pointing fingers will do nothing but create a whiny culture with a severe persecution complex. Acknowledging oneself as part of the problem can lead to change.
PS: this post was inspired by an aunty who unfollowed me on twitter. See here’s the thing. This aunty was VERY encouraging until I tweeted about her son harasses women. I guess seeing me out her flesh & blood was too much for her. It’s ok for me to be critical of anyone who isn’t related to her it seems. Ironically this aunty is also a “champion & saviour” of women’s rights. Like most elite feminists, she gives elite men a free pass to do as they please. They aren’t part of the system or part of the problem in her worldview. I think this explains why so much of our activism is unsuccessful.
Lake of self accountability and self analysis are the main and root causes. I use to read your blog diversions very carefully very beautifully written with a hidden moral lesson. What about those things which you told in your last article are they all done some kind of a presentation on lot of things. So feel it like you are feeling and observing. When I ll change my self then i ll start changing my house and when i ll change it i ll start changing my community. Why we left our heritage and tradition if they were still with we are going to face the problems created by fakes.
Regards,
Muhammad Abbas Khan
Comment by mabbaskhan — May 10, 2012 @ 6:00 pm |
Nabiha: Two thoughts come to mind. First, we have the mindset of a society under siege. We are always rushing to defend something. When one assumes that role of foot soldiers or defenders of the faith, self-righteousness follows and the ability to look at oneself critically departs. We are always right. This is a structural problem that is impervious to logic or hectoring.
Second, we are still living in a semi-industrial society with the hangover of pre-industrial values. In that framework nepotism does not mean what it does in post-industrial societies based on individualism. There, nepotism has assumed different forms – the Ivy League network, for example, or Friends of Bill. This is the tyranny of borrowed concepts divorced from their contextual roots.
Comment by SouthAsian — May 10, 2012 @ 8:10 pm |
Yes, that’s true. We instantly become defensive with black & white thinking. Logic flies out the window…
I completely understand your point about nepotism. I still find the culture of sifarish deeply problematic. And I find it frustrating to see so many incompetent people doing jobs they aren’t qualified for simply because they had a contact. In Aitchison, for example, there are two English teachers in the senior school who can’t speak English, can’t think critically but can’t be fired because they got tenure through sifarish. Students are suffering needlessly.
Comment by Nabiha Meher — May 10, 2012 @ 8:41 pm |
I was accepting this kind of difficult reply from your side anywz agreed
Comment by mabbaskhan — May 11, 2012 @ 12:08 pm |
I think we are aping the Western feminists particular complaints by focusing on hair-removal, wearing heels, etc. Jobs, access to public space, etc. are far more important issues, IMHO.
Any society will have a status-hierarchy (see Orwell’s 1984) and the fact is, from China to Pakistan to Britain better-looking people get better mates (in terms of status). It’s silly to be ugly by choice. Trying to claim that beauty is a “myth” is just needlessly dividing women.
Comment by Sahar — May 16, 2012 @ 2:00 pm |
Thanks to this comment, I will now censor misogynist stupid justifications as well.
Sahar, women like you deserve men who abuse them.
Comment by Nabiha Meher — May 16, 2012 @ 7:56 pm |
Come on now, not everyone who disagrees is a misogynist Nabiha and to say for that they deserve abuse, how is that even remotely ethical? in fact re-read that and think for a moment, if I or any man had said that a woman deserved abuse for whatever reason, how would you react?
I tried leaving a comment here, something of the sort that being a man I gotta shave too, and well tried to be funny. Don’t know whether it reached or not since I am actually new to doing things the android way-apps and all but in any case, seeing this seething retort I am switching back to the rant mode. Yes objectification is wrong and society does some time impose impossible standards of beauty but that goes both ways. The whole idea of an ideal man supporting a six pack now or growing a moustache or side burns in 70s to the hilarious dicso inspired tights of 80s, men also had to adapt. But that is again not the point. What is wrong with trying to feel beautiful in whatever way one wants to? If you ask me, a woman wearing heels for the sole purpose of attracting a man is actually more liberated than the woman who wouldn’t wax for “sex is a dirty thing”.
The whole idea of beauty on the inside is ridiculous. Would my wife have married me had I sported a 4’8” frame instead of 6’2”? I am not advocating wearing heels 24/7 but out of the mundanities of work, life, baby poo and pampers, when we arrange a breakfast date for ourselves, why shouldn’t she wear heels if that is attractive to me and why shouldn’t I shave or suit up the way she finds me attractive? To give up the pleasures in life, the attraction of your respective partners or the prospective ones, because someone is America considers those anti feminist is stupid, especially when no one would actually love a man with a heart of gold who weights 150 kg [true story. I will introduce you if you actually want to confirm]. It doesn’t stop at appearances only. If we go by the mantra you preach, any society imposed behavioral or appearance modification is wrong. Tell me truly and I trust that you’d, if we happen to come each other in actual dimensions with me wearing a Dhoti which of course is the dress my grandfather wore all his life and which is my traditional dress because I am from a village, would you even consider for a second that I can have something worthy to say? Or if I speak with a heavy Punjabi accent because well I am a Punjabi, would you actually pay similar attention to what I am saying compared with a flawless American accent? Don’t tell me you never once laughed on the thousand imitations of Indian accent on youtube. Society does impose things, sometimes unfairly, and injustices need to be confronted, but spending every waking moment of your life trying so hard to be a rebel when looking at the waxed arms or the shaved face of your partner fills you heart with pleasure, would be just so stupid now.
Btw, if you can think rationally about criticism, do you know you snap everyone someone disagrees? There is no right or wrong many times, and an opposite point of view can be equally rational and well thought out. Why not take a breath before the berating starts?
Comment by Barooq — May 16, 2012 @ 9:03 pm
Wow amazing. Approved because of the fact you guys have decided I’m preaching some ideology & making amazing assumptions.
Read The Beauty Myth. I’m not going to waste time replying.
btw that’s not a snap response. I don’t respect anti-feminist women or women who choose to perpetuate our oppression nor will I pretend do. I know women who choose to be objects, get a sick thrill out it (get hurt by it as well, but they repeat the behaviour because of their low self esteem) and then claim we radical feminists are a bigger problem than the men who are abusing them. I actually respect these women a lot less than I respect misogynist men. So when I say women like that deserve men to abuse them, I don’t feel bad nor will I apologize for it.
No, the last comment wasn’t at all well thought out. Beauty is NOT a western feminist concern. I say this as a “pretty” kid who was constantly molested simply because she was “beautiful”. Beauty is a fucking burden.
Comment by Nabiha Meher — May 17, 2012 @ 6:23 pm
From Obama’s Commencement Address at Barnard College:
“Until a girl can imagine herself, can picture herself as a computer programmer, or a combatant commander, she won’t become one. Until there are women who tell her, ignore our pop culture obsession over beauty and fashion — (applause) — and focus instead on studying and inventing and competing and leading, she’ll think those are the only things that girls are supposed to care about. Now, Michelle will say, nothing wrong with caring about it a little bit. (Laughter.) You can be stylish and powerful, too. (Applause.) That’s Michelle’s advice. (Applause.)”
Comment by SouthAsian — May 18, 2012 @ 2:30 am
*sigh* see I see this “don’t you dare let go of your femininity!” nonsense as rather counter productive & a way to keep women in their place…
Comment by Nabiha Meher — May 23, 2012 @ 6:48 pm
Nabiha: Curious to know if you feel Dita von Teese is anti-feminist?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-18105807
Comment by SouthAsian — May 20, 2012 @ 11:21 pm
Don’t know enough about her, but here’s my problem with women who argue that they’re not feminist simply because they have a female fan base: most women aren’t feminists! VERY few are. Most are tools of the patriarchy.
Comment by Nabiha Meher — May 23, 2012 @ 6:53 pm
In case it isn’t blatantly obvious, I’m a radical feminist (third wave).
Comment by Nabiha Meher — May 23, 2012 @ 6:54 pm
Child molestation IS very real of the problems our society. A problem that is routinely swept under the carpet but even with an elementary knowledge of psychology and our society is general, you’d surely know that it doesn’t have much to do with the “beauty” of the abused than the sociological structure of the society, the position of sexuality in it which it, the lack of actual education and well plain old frustration. There are true pedophiles too, but in most cases that in my own research the perpetrators were not incorrigible pedophiles but a variety of other factors were involved. This is something very important to me personally and i won’t trivialize it by writing a few lines in the comment section of your blog when it actually needs a lot more words than that. For anyone that was abused, I have the deepest of sympathies and I shared more than rage towards the heinous assholes that actuated he abuse. That is for another time.
The problem here was something else. You preferred not to waste time in typing an argument and told me to go read a book. Just because a book says something, it doesn’t mean that is true. One of the problems with the American interpretation of feminism has been role of beauty and sexuality: From trying to make women asexual to the imposition of sistah-hood on otherwise heterosexual women is intrinsically fraudulent. Again that is a debate that needs a lot more time than just saying woman should or shouldn’t wax. The very nature of actual consent and choice is another matter and needs another debate. What I am trying to say is that when you are taking a given position as the actual truth and everything else a complete nonsense that is not rational in anyway. I pride myself in being a feminist and my wife actually makes fun of my unease when she chooses to cook something and I may not always articulate it well enough in ten lines or so, but if we should learn anything from feminism (which is essentially a posing questions to the traditionally incontestable TRUTHS) is that questioning is good, even when directed at feminism
If you did read everything I wrote, I did try to show that men are subject to varying standards of beauty as well throughout the time. I agree there is an inherent injustice towards women in the very foundation of our cognition: the language, in which we think and cannot for life of ourselves think in a pure deconstrutionist way to actually neutralize the genders roles in true sense. What’s the solution- -An oath of silence? I am sure you’d agree it’s not. You work with whatever you have got against whatever you got to go against and prioritize because that is life: One vile prioritization after another. Out of all the symbols of patriarchy our society nourishes and crushes our women with, a woman wearing heels is insignificant. In fact, depending upon the person and that particular situation, it can very well be an act of rebellion and freedom. Let me give you an example. A mullah imposes upon his daughter to wear a burka and never anything that can “tempt” the hearts of men and she chooses to do so because she wants to. What would you call it-breaking away or breaking bad in your feminist interpretation?
We cannot undo the years behind us, nor can we in an instance change the world. All we can do is to try to pick one or a couple of battles at time. Heels shouldn’t even come in the top 10000
And well thanks for being civil. if you don’t mind, how old are you anyway?
Comment by Barooq — May 17, 2012 @ 7:14 pm |
I really don’t have time to read & reply. But until then, I’ll say it again: read the book. yes, I won’t type out the EXACT argument the book presents because you can simply read the book! Worth reading for informed debate on this issue.
Comment by Nabiha Meher — May 23, 2012 @ 6:52 pm |
Barooq: It is a coincidence but there is an intriguing argument on child abuse by an Indian writer on The South Asian Idea:
http://thesouthasianidea.wordpress.com/2012/05/22/child-abuse-could-this-be-an-exceptional-case/
And Nabiha: I was asking about Dita von Teese, not you.
Comment by SouthAsian — May 23, 2012 @ 10:44 pm |
I replied about her. Here’s what I wrote: “Don’t know enough about her, but here’s my problem with women who argue that they’re not feminist simply because they have a female fan base: most women aren’t feminists! VERY few are. Most are tools of the patriarchy.”
Comment by Nabiha Meher — May 23, 2012 @ 10:47 pm
Very Nicely Put!
I enjoyed this write up.
This is what i usually ask myself for the breed that I see moving from one end of the office, university, wedding and malls etc to the other…
Comment by Shafiq — June 18, 2012 @ 2:55 pm |